tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060859478026871153.post1749700983374078886..comments2023-06-01T09:32:44.265-04:00Comments on Blaque Tulip.com: And This We KnowPastor Lancehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06332221019537547577noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060859478026871153.post-41205615209118103262008-03-20T14:44:00.000-04:002008-03-20T14:44:00.000-04:00thanks for the comments brothers. Lord willing we ...thanks for the comments brothers. Lord willing we may actually have a conversation about race instead of having a conversation about having a conversation about race which is what I heard on a radio program today. <BR/><BR/>Lionel I'll be in Dallas from June 10 to the 13 (though I'm leaving the morning of the 13th). My guess is that the PCA general assembly will be held at the Dallas convention center. We can do breakfast either wednesday or thursday. thanks for the invite. <BR/><BR/>peace<BR/>LLPastor Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06332221019537547577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060859478026871153.post-8784215176543817662008-03-19T17:51:00.000-04:002008-03-19T17:51:00.000-04:00I am not aware of a speech Mike Huckabee made abou...I am not aware of a speech Mike Huckabee made about race directly related to his presidential bid, but his campaign website did highlight his 1997 speech to "the 40th Anniversary of the Central High School Integration Crisis"<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=487" REL="nofollow">http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=487</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=758" REL="nofollow">http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=758</A><BR/><BR/>Here is a quote:<BR/><BR/>"...Some have asked: how long are we going to deal with this Central crisis situation? Are we going to have to relive it every few years? And I know there were some who were frankly made to feel very uncomfortable about all of these activities because some felt that it would just resurrect feelings and anxieties.<BR/>Well, let me tell you how long we will deal with it -- until justice is the same for every human being whether he or she is black or white, we will deal with it. Until the same rules apply to get a bank loan for every person regardless of who he or she is, we will deal with it. As long as there are whites who turn around and see a black person coming and bring fear to their hearts, we will deal with it. And as long as there are blacks who look and see and have resentment toward a white person, we will deal with it. We will deal with it until the dream of Dr. Martin Luther King lives in all of our hearts, and that is that we will judge people by the character of their hearts and not by the color of their skin...."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Mike Huckabee was asked about Rec. Wright's comments in <A HREF="http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=1578" REL="nofollow">this video</A>.Ben Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08180387993747753614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060859478026871153.post-1142389800513446752008-03-19T13:52:00.000-04:002008-03-19T13:52:00.000-04:00Pastor Lance,Lionel (btw I hope to meet you when I...Pastor Lance,<BR/><BR/>Lionel (btw I hope to meet you when I'm in the Big D this June) you're right in saying that we don't agree with everything Wright says and we definitely don't hold to his theology. and yet most blacks I know (saved or not)believed that Barack's candidacy presented a unique opportunity for the country to make some much needed progress in race relations. it seems that if he loses and/or is dismissed as disingenuous that we'll lose this opportunity as neither Senators Clinton nor McCain plan to address it. <BR/><BR/>When are you going to be here? I will make sure we get up. I have been talking with Q (Quicy) and am trying to make it out that way. Redeemer is a little further than I would like to travel. Give me the date and time and breakfast (if you are available) is on me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060859478026871153.post-36559611449235391292008-03-19T13:42:00.000-04:002008-03-19T13:42:00.000-04:00Hi Pastor Lance,I think the difference between Hag...Hi Pastor Lance,<BR/>I think the difference between Hagee and Wright is that Wright is closely connected to Obama, while Hagee is not, You cannot help who well endorse you, Now don't get me wrong I feel that what Hagee said was wrong but for me and many its about the relationship. <BR/><BR/>The point about the GOP and White evangelical leaders was right on point.<BR/><BR/>I am Glad the this was put out there because we need the start the conversation, many white and black evangelicals ignore race issue. And that is a crying shame, who better to deal with this issue than the church of J.C? <BR/><BR/>BTW, I thought the speech was a good speech!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060859478026871153.post-10907108648452101672008-03-19T10:23:00.000-04:002008-03-19T10:23:00.000-04:00yo, my brothers. nate good question re: hagee. the...yo, my brothers. nate good question re: hagee. the problem I have with his statement regarding katrina is that he wasn't casting it in terms of God's general judgment regarding sin. rather it was one more example of evangelicals declaring God's specific judgment on people who they don't particularly like. I'll drop you a note about the other issue. <BR/><BR/>Lionel (btw I hope to meet you when I'm in the Big D this June) you're right in saying that we don't agree with everything Wright says and we definitely don't hold to his theology. and yet most blacks I know (saved or not)believed that Barack's candidacy presented a unique opportunity for the country to make some much needed progress in race relations. it seems that if he loses and/or is dismissed as disingenuous that we'll lose this opportunity as neither Senators Clinton nor McCain plan to address it. <BR/><BR/>peace<BR/>llPastor Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06332221019537547577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060859478026871153.post-17604325247988834662008-03-19T09:43:00.000-04:002008-03-19T09:43:00.000-04:00Hey Lance,I was asking the same thing as it relate...Hey Lance,<BR/><BR/><BR/>I was asking the same thing as it relates to Hagee. Now you know I am a Hagee basher but that is more for his dual covenantalism, word of faith babel, and association with some of the most devilish TV preachers this side of hell. <BR/><BR/>But as it relates to Katrina was it not God's judgment, not on poor blacks who do voodoo and and drink and dance of Fat Tuesdays but death and destruction and decay, and pain and loss, are all part of God's judgment on Sin (not sins) and what could have easily happened in New Orleans could happen in the most peaceful upper middle class white Suburban community with Christian schools on every corner.<BR/><BR/>Now if he was saying it was like a Soddom and Gomarrah then I am with you. Jesus says "are you more noble than they"? Heck no!!! <BR/><BR/>As it relates to Wright that brother scares me. I don't agree with his theology or his approach, or his pissy attitude for that matter, but I think I understand what you are saying. I would say that I would not want to be represented by him though. Yes we are frustrated, yes we are tired of proving that we are citizens and yes we hate "God bless America" songs, and 4th of July with the founding fathers Christian hogwash, and I don't even know the Star Spanggle Banner (spelling) as a matter of fact which is the National Anthem (sorry I really don't know, we use sing one of them in school).<BR/><BR/>But I would say that I enjoy the freedom (as unbalanced as it is) and the blessing of this great nation and I would easily protect it again (6 Years Combat Arms, Go Army). I would easily lose my life to protect its borders and to have a flag draped over my coffin and many of my ancestors through slavery and Jim Crow would also.<BR/><BR/>PS: I think I may have drank the McCain koolaid or no vote at all. I can't bring myself to vote for Barrack especially with the matter of fact attitude that I should vote for him because we are both black. I think we are a bit more complex than just being black.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060859478026871153.post-36050845066349629882008-03-18T16:07:00.000-04:002008-03-18T16:07:00.000-04:00Good Afternoon Sir, I should be working, but I'm ...Good Afternoon Sir,<BR/><BR/> I should be working, but I'm taking a moment to address the post, briefly. More like, ask questions: First, I remember when the Minneapolis bridge collapsed, Reverend Piper addressed it as GOD'S Judgment, according to Luke 13. Reverend Redmond did a piece on it seeming to confirm the position. There was some backlash, but minimally. Furthermore, for me, to see Reverend Redmond's affirming the position was part of my balancing accepting Piper's view. Why is it (this is a question in ignorance, I really don't know) problematic for Hagee to endorse McCain, with a statement that Katrina was GOD'S Judgment? (I know that's not the center of the contrast, but it is the issue when contrasted with Wright's remarks) On a different note, have you given any more thought to the "sit down" with some of our "brothers" that you and I discussed some time back?<BR/><BR/>Its nate SIR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com